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英國可能唔覺意送咗件禮物比香港人

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早日有壇友(陶尚宫兄)話bno 特有人可以在歐洲居住同工作,我在網上找到一些資料,相信這會是真的。但要等里斯本條約(Lisbon treaty) 通過後才生效。

不過一些國家如冰島在她的網頁有這樣說:
Iceland is a member country of the EEA, which entitles British Citizens, British Nationals Overseas and British Overseas Territory Citizens to work or reside in Iceland, providing they obtain a Residence/Work Permit from the Directorate of Immigration.
冰島將British National(Overseas)計入GREAT BRITIAN,而不是香港

http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcele...

http://www.utl.is/english/visas/no-visa/

UK EMBASSY
ICELAND
Treaty of Linsbon

所有評論

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 12:18

高鐡一役後,我覺得我在這煱煮蛙的溫水內越來越熱,喺時候搵定一些溫度適中的地方,以免他日(可能十年八年後)水溫太高才找資料會遲了點;這些資料相信有些壇友也會有用。

老朱 - 2010年01月19日 12:33

Thank you!!

Maza - 2010年01月19日 13:23

Even they give us such a right, there is no guarantee u will be able to find a job and make a living there. So, this right, if there's really any, is better than nothing only.

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 13:40

The Linsbon treaty has been enforced on Dec 1, 2009; about six weeks ago.

Maza Hing, that's why I said 8 to 10 years from now, hopefully will save enough money to retire or just an information. If one day, Hong Kong becomes the days like the past Vietnam, we still have the place to go. :(

Maza - 2010年01月19日 13:44

Big Mac Hing, 8-10 years from now, that'll be too late already, and taking into account the opportunities available in HK, how can we save enough monies for retirement? Maybe u can, but I reckon I can't lor........

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 13:58

Maza Hing: The government don't let us to vote by hands, the only things we can vote are by ours legs.

Instead of nothing nothing in Hong Kong or things only within Hong Kong, establish some connection with the outside world (In EU); you never know.

Forest Gumn said " Life is just like a box of chocolate, you never know what you are going to get”.

陶尚 - 2010年01月19日 13:59

係中環講人提供的…

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 14:00

Maza Hing: The government don't let us to vote by hands, the only things we can vote are by ours legs.

Instead of doing nothing in Hong Kong or things only within Hong Kong, establish some connection with the outside world (In EU); you never know.

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 14:02

Anyway: 多謝陶尚宫兄同中環講人兄,you guys information may change a lot of people’s life.

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 14:08

不要客氣。所謂政治保險,本來就不希望用得上的。當初身邊親友,妻離子散,遠去他國坐移民監,去了又回流,為的還是一個保險而已。原來,世界上的棋局日日新鮮,我們什麽也不用做也能獲得這個保險好處,這個事情的發展絕非當初英國政府所能預料也。

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:09

I just wonder whether one day, Hongkongers may become some sort of "boat people" like the Vietnamese. By that time, I think even u hold a BNO, a lot of countries will shut the door to us.

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 14:14

If we have that day, when we take the boat to Vietnam, I wonder how the Vietnamese Government treat us? That's irony.

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:17

If we are pessimistic about future of HK, we got to run, and once we decide this, I think we should never come back until one day, we Hongkongers can decide our own fate.

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:18

U remember before 97, even the Phillipines set very high requirements for Hongkongers to move there. How ridiculous!!

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:23

If we decide to run, we have to prepare to sacrifice what we have built here, for more democracy, freedom, social justice not only for ourselves but also for our next generation.

It's a bit sad that this question of "go or stay" has been troubling hongkongers for more than than 20 years, and now seems to revive??!!

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:28

Just think if opportunities in HK are shrinking, and democracy, freedom and social justice are under threats, and we are all so helpless.

Why not grab everything and run, and let Donald, the CCP and all clowns run and ruin this place?

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 14:30

I prefer the Hong Kong before 97, most of the thing that the government did make more sense. At least, listen to the people of hong kong's voices.

I think I will not stay in here forever, I will start something connect with the outside world and may move out one day. However, I don't think Hong Kong will be chaos soon. I move out is because I don't like this government.

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:47

Big Mac Hing, maybe u will disagree, but I think the origin/source of all problems in HK now is the fact that HK was returned to a corrupt and devil motherly body - CCP. Try to think if HK was returned to the US, I don't think it will suppress the democratic quest by the HK people. The change of sovereignty is not as simple as a change of flags as some envisaged before 97. HK's degrading and deteriorating after 97. If it's still maintaining economic prosperity after 97, it's not that the lower and middle class can share.

HK is gradually aligning with the rest of China, and the pace of this process has been speeding up recently. Status of Hongkongers has been deliberately dwarfed, and we are subordinated to the mainlanders. Thing of mutual benefits to both Mainland China and Hong Kong have been intentionally described as a grant of favour by the so-called Central Govt.

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:51

Some people anticipated before 97 HK would die. It seems this prophecy may come true, but not overnight, but gradually.

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:55

Hard and cruel fact is if China is not going to have democracy, HK will not have, whether in 2017 or 2020, or thereafter. What the NPC has promised is sheer lie and unbelievable. By 2017 and 2020, it can play game of words, like saying HK "may", but not shall. And it will use all sort of pretext like conditions not mature for HK to have democracy etc. And send clowns like Maria TxM to fool HK people, or Mr. Lau to threaten HK people (assuming they have not died by then).

Maza - 2010年01月19日 14:57

When CCP confidently perceives it can successfully run China in the way it does now, the toleration it has over HK and the freedom it allows for HK people will deminish quickly.

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 15:09

The biggest lie in all human history: “One country two systems”. There is no such thing as one country two systems, because most of the VALUES of Hong Kong people are so different from those who rule the PRC. Either Hong Kong people have to scarify their VALUES or the CCP, the answer is obvious.
Anyway, I have a meeting, got to go now.

Big Mac - 2010年01月19日 15:17

One more link about the EU permanent resident . Good luck guys !!!
里斯本條約通過有望

MSC - 2010年01月19日 15:52

睇落最無道義是英國佬,其他EU國承認BNO可居留,英國佬在過去百多年從香港身上賺了唔少錢,其發的BNO反而不能在英居留!

MSC - 2010年01月19日 15:57

To me, HK nowadays is better than pre-1997 HK. To you, you don't like HK just because CCP behind. To you, you prefer UK to China, even now HK people can become senior government officials, in pre-1997, only UK white people can become senior government officials. What sort of equality/fairness you are talking?

MSC - 2010年01月19日 16:00

To you, the spending of 60 billion on High Speed Rail project is bad thing just because it connects to Mainland. To you, the spending of 160 billion in 1989-1997 (nowadays, about 150 billion) is acceptable even it has not been going through the consultation the HKSAR government has been doing in past few months.

MSC - 2010年01月19日 16:02

To you, the spending of 60 billion on High Speed Rail project is bad thing just because it connects to Mainland. To you, the spending of 160 billion in 1989-1997 (nowadays, about 150 billion) for the Airport Core Projects is acceptable even it did not go through the consultation process like what the HKSAR government did in past few months.

So whatever UK did to you is good, whatever China is doing to you is bad.

Maza - 2010年01月19日 16:14

U living in HK now?

MSC - 2010年01月19日 16:53

Yes, I am living in HK right now.

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 16:58

人離鄉賤、 二等公民這個大家都知道的了。我相信大家都是說一個保險而已,萬一CCP控制不住自己怎麽辦?

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 17:00

世界上所有的不幸,都是由很多串聯巧合走在一起而發生的,誰不想安居樂業?誰又願意做歷史罪人?

Maza - 2010年01月19日 17:17

Why don't u move to live in China then?

MSC - 2010年01月19日 18:23

I like today's HK, why do I need to move to China? China is not good. HK is better than China and better than the old HK under British's colonial rule.

cocoto - 2010年01月19日 18:50

" 英國佬在過去百多年從香港身上賺了唔少錢 "
英國佬在香港身上賺的錢多,
還是香港、香港人、中國,
因英國佔香港而獲得更多?
值得思量!

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 19:30

有頭髮邊個想做癩痢?大陸情況如何之差,遠比壇友可以想象。大家知道信壇有個牧師商人,據聞被人非法禁錮一年。我的親身經歷是,因爲商業糾紛而被綁架的商人(或者他的家人或身邊朋友),簡直是無日無之。

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 19:31

大家不相信的話,到落馬州警署查詢一下一年中有多少香港人報案家人失蹤就知道大概了。我可以告訴大家,在大陸到公安局舉報是沒有用的,分分鐘反過來告你報假案,阻差辦公。在大陸,遇到問題能否解決,還是看你後臺夠不夠硬,願不願意多花銀兩。

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 19:32

我看信壇有些朋友,對大陸寄予厚望,常常責備批評大陸的言論,可是他們就未必有大陸生活的相關經驗,他們的愛國情懷還沒有經過考驗的。老套地講,我愛國上大陸貢獻四個現代化的時候,渠地都不知道在那裏。

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 19:37

試想一下,三權合作之後,大陸法院的判決可以超越深圳河,到我們這邊執行,你如何選擇?譬如國内地級市稅務局說你無証經營、逃稅等過來找你如何?譬如國内女朋友取得法院判決與閣下有實際婚姻如何?譬如某年某日國内公安說你擾亂公安如何?

Maza - 2010年01月19日 20:56

梁啟超百多年前到香港,驚嘆香港秩序井然,認為英人善於治國,但其實,英人只是建立了一套長治久安的制度,由制度來管治而巳。但百多年後的中国,距離建立這種長治久安的制度尚遙遙無期!

Crabwing - 2010年01月19日 21:49

作為華人,有個外國passport 及居留櫂點都好d架。有咩事走佬都都有地方走丫。

陶尚 - 2010年01月19日 21:50

中環講人, your comment of China is really...

...fxxking good!

Our motherland...

...the more you love, the more you want to know...
...the more you know, the more you want to contact...
...the more you contact, the more you are upset...
...so...

陶尚 - 2010年01月19日 21:51

中環講人, why you give credit to the HKPF as Wisely did...

中環講人 - 2010年01月19日 22:35

陶尚宮, our Hong Kong Police is not that bad, in fact they are required to handle many complaints such as noise, domestic violence which are not supposed to be taken care of by the China Police. In China, 派出所or 街道民警 are just like 爛仔, taking advantages from the security guards of your 小區.

陶尚 - 2010年01月20日 08:43

中環講人:I heard some rumours (in fact everyone could also notice). The PSB adopts a so called community policing (it is the latest nowadays in the West) in which each police officer is the beat manager. He or she is supposed to be the manager in charge of his or her Area of Responsibilities. All the security personnel, both private or public, are under his or her command.

However, there is the root of many problems. Some local PSB employs the security guards to conduct police work (a good sub-contracting models)! As the quality of those security guards are so good, their services are...

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